Operating Certificate(s) Held: Flag carrier (121), Operator Does Business As: United Express. Lead Journalist - South America - Daniel comes to Simple Flying with many years of aviation journalism experience, having worked with Mexican publication A21, Roads & Kingdoms, El Economista and more. The airplane was substantially damaged. 34 votes, 28 comments. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. Low bid contractor you get what you pay for. This isnt surprising to me at all. This isn't surprising to me at all. Hello world! Where is the NTSB Report on Commutair 4933? Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. How difficult he is ? During a postaccident interview, the first officer stated that, when he transitioned from flight instruments to the outside during the second approach, he again saw white on white and blowing snow. FAA guidance before the accident did not specifically address snow depth around a localizer antenna; after the accident, the guidance was revised to state that localizer alignment should be checked if snow accumulated to a depth exceeding 2ft (0.61m)[1]:4, The NTSB found that at least six CommutAir pilots had noticed the localizer misalignment within the preceding five days before the accident but none had filed a company aviation safety action program (ASAP) report; however, four of them filed ASAP reports after the accident. Gotta wonder how many more lives need to be lost as a result of airlines looking to fill seats in the cockpit, before they realize sex and skin color are not relevant to qualifications to fly airplanes! The ILS was screwy bc of snow, known issue in PQI. The United flights for the Newark-Presque Isle service are operated by CommuteAir, which is partly owned by United. DropTank Well-Known Member May 22, 2022 #3 Roger Roger said: There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board. The doomed 747 began flying in 1971. Fleet type match . By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. United/CommutAir 4933 had departed from Newark, New Jersey, and was scheduled to land at Presque Isle at 10:49 a.m., but instead arrived about 45 minutes behind schedule. Now Im working with them at a majorand guess what? X File Under: <Fuel> Circulate To: General Manager Service Manager Parts Manager Service Advisors Technicians Body Shop Manager Fleet Repair X X X X SUBJECT: GROUP MODEL FUE 2017-2019MY Niro (DE HEV) NUMBER DATE 041 August 2019 TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 3.5. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. Interestingly (unless I'm missing something) the CVR transcript still hasn't been released. United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. The subscription requires, that you sign up for an account first, then subscribe from your account. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. That woman has moved on now to a wide body. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. This map shows the airport of departure and the intended destination of the flight. And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! The industry is hurting for flight deck crew members. NTSB: United Express plane missed runway in Presque Isle - WCSH I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. I had an employee that was a good stick and rudder pilot but horrible decision maker, cocky, and just did stupid shit like rolling a company 207. On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. Subscribe . They dont need to know the aircraft or the area or the SOP. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. The first officer stated "I'm staying on the flight director 'cause I don't see it yet", and the captain responded by repeating the phrase "stay in it", followed by "what the [expletive]" and the first officer saying "I dont know what Im seein'." Commutair E145 at Presque Isle on Mar 4th 2019, runway excursion, hard March 17, 2020. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. [1]:5 Investigators found that the localizer antenna was surrounded by 25ft (0.611.52m) of snow; after confirming the reported localizer misalignment, the snow was cleared, and this caused correct localizer alignment to be restored. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. Commutair 4933 | Jetcareers A preliminary report Thursday [March 21] indicates the 50-seat Embraer 145 approached to the right of the runway on an aborted first landing attempt and then again when it touched down March . The accident took place on a snowy day in 2019 at Presque Isle International Airport. The agency said it will work closely with a federal government contractor . On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. At an Appropriations hearing in July 2019, Senator Collins raised this issue directly with then-Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in. The airplane was substantially damaged. The National Transportation Safety Board traveled to the scene of this accident. The aircraft that arrived around 11:30 a.m. Monday also sustained unspecified damage and is remaining in place until investigators with the Federal Aviation Administration can assess the incident, Smith said. The failure of CommutAir pilots who had observed an issue with the ILS prior to the accident and failed to report it to the company and air traffic control. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. 3.4. Oh well, its not like lives are at stake or anything. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. Accident: Commutair E145 at Presque Isle on Mar 4th 2019, runway PDF Service Bulletin 18-002 Anyone got any suggestions? This website uses cookies for user interface, tracking performance and optimized ads. Many were hired right after failures. The scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seats coming apart, Daigle said. NTSB: United Express plane missed runway in Presque Isle We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our site. Investigation Report - NTSB Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. There were three minor injuries. Do you want to learn about the safety record of Commutair? But could have also been Line Oriented Flight Training. As I said, drama might as well have been her middle name. Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. It sounds like visual illusions, problems with the localizer in the snow, and sticking to SOP seem to be some of the biggest factors here. PRIA is a complete joke. So if they can get through training, off to the line they go. 2017. Daigle said his wife hit her head during the incident and once the couple returns to Fort Kent she plans to be evaluated at Northern Maine Medical Center as a precaution. Presque Isle International Airport will be closed until further notice as representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration investigate, Smith said. The airplane was substantially damaged. Airborne 02.24.23: GAMA 2022 Report, Piper News, Starship March Launch. What do you think about this accident? The airplane was substantially damaged. [1]:4 Airport maintenance staff did not have the means to measure localizer alignment directly. I was suppose to start a four day trip with an individual that displayed this described behavior. Wow, clearly that investigator was a sport's guy, cause I wouldn't have known what to make of it. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. 28 pax/3 crew. During the ensuing approach, both pilots said they saw the runway, albeit with difficulty due to snow. This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. [3], The aircraft had three crew members (two pilots and a flight attendant). A quick survey of existing regional airline crash articles reveals a lack of naming consistency, and there is also no uniform naming convention in the aviation accident style guide. Occhione v. PSA Airlines, Inc., Case No. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. A month later we got a PRIA request from another operator. "[1]:3, About 36 hours before the accident, a CommutAir flight crew had noticed the lateral localizer error and reported it to the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center; however, FAA procedures dictated that before a navigational aid malfunction could be officially reported, a second independent report of the error was needed, which had not been received. Photos showed some of the landing gear stuck in one of the engines. The Ohio-based regional carrier, in which No.3 U.S. airline . These training issues sound very much like the FO on Atlas 3591, very obscure training failures that are not painting the whole picture of the pilot involved. At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." Air safety incidents for Commutair - AeroInside The Aviation Herald offers quite sophisticated criteria to enable you select exactly those news, that are of real interest to you. I understand that there could be some malicious company managers that could abuse this, but there has to be a way to tell hiring managers that a pilot is a danger. The flight departed from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with 28 passengers and three crew members. The first officer and two of the 28 passengers sustained minor injuries. Did anyone else see that they got the shaker during the first missed, and set off the EGPWS? The report indicated that Golden State was leading at halftime 58-49. There are probably so many qualified candidates out there that would be a joy to fly with but didnt get the job because they used the wrong greeting. Talk:CommutAir Flight 4933 - Wikipedia The plane will remain in place until the FAA arrives to assess the situation. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. Privacy Policy. Due to internet piracy we needed to close access to proxies. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. The aircraft sustained substantial damage, as can be seen in the pictures released by the NTSB. The pilots attempted to land again in a second attempt. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) says a United Express regional jet didn't slide off a runway in Maine it missed the runway altogether. ^^^ You nailed it. NTSB releases Final Report of the 2019 Presque Isle plane crash - WAGM On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. This was the second approach to runway 1 . Most reports focus on a single accident, though the NTSB also produces reports . By thoroughly investigating all of the factors that led to the plane missing the runway, the final report issued by the NTSB today can help ensure that this kind of preventable accident never happens again.. [1]:5. The accident took place on a snowy day in Presque Isle, Maine. Photo: NTSB. Since Atlas 3591 and Colgan 3407 airlines are scrutinizing training failures a little closer. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier - Scheduled. Date: June 5, 2015 . NTSB Aircraft Accident Reports (AAR) | Embry-Riddle Aeronautical The NTSB report uses CommutAir in favor of United Express and through that, I note that nearly every article is mentioned through that convention (excluding Colgan Air Flight 3407 and a lengthy discussion about it took place if you see the archives. We'll check the IP address and possibly reenable access. The aircraft appears intact enough to preserve the FDR and CVR. [1]:1314, Flight 4933 departed from Newark Liberty International Airport around 10:04Eastern Standard Time(EST) (14:04UTC). I had no idea that snow could affect the localizer signal. While she had been a de Havilland Canada DHC-8 first officer with CommutAir, she had received a disciplinary letter and been subject to nine months of monitoring before being allowed to pursue captain upgrade training. The accident closed the airport Monday, and it is not known immediately when outgoing and incoming flights will resume, she said. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Part of the landing gear was torn away, and the nose cone was damaged. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. Today, U.S. Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. Not sure if this Captain is one of them, but she sure does seem to have had quite a few more failures then I would be comfortable flying with. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. They also ping the FO for not using his CPAP in a few places. Cass did say to me she will be OK when she sees Keegan, Rick Daigle said. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway. The flying pilot should have executed to go around yet did not. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. CommutAir Flight 4933 - EverybodyWiki Bios & Wiki This was the second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board CommutAir flight 4933 flying from Newark to Presque Isle, the company said. I appreciated the NTSBs preliminary report that was issued a few weeks after the crash, which was helpful in determining some of the key facts and allowed the airline and the airport to take immediate steps to increase safety. PDF TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN - National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The captain told the first officer that she could see the runway lights but "it's really white down there thats the problem." Simple Flying will be at the Farnborough Airshow next week. Contradicting the report that the plane landed on the runway and then skidded off, he said, that the actual landing, if you want to call it that, completely missed the runway. [1]:1,78 At around 11:10EST, according to cockpit voice recorder (CVR) transcripts, the pilots were having trouble seeing the runway clearly and attempted to turn on the runway lights by cuing the radio microphone. A part of defending the profession means telling people they just arent cut out for flying paying passengers and to pick a new career. His specialist knowledge of Latin American airlines and close relationship with the likes of Aeromexico, Avianca, Volaris brings depth to our coverage in the region. Cassie Daigle took this photo inside the plane shortly after it stopped. In August 2016, the aircraft was transferred to CommutAir. The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. CommutAir Flight 4933 - Wikipedia Well, the first attempt they pulled up before landing so obviously something was wrong, he said. I work in the 135 world and I was shocked more companies dont fly their applicants either in the sim or an aircraft. [4], The aircraft was substantially damaged and was subsequently written off as a result. Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. JavaScript is disabled. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. For more information, please see our She failed her EMB-145 checkride during her initial attempt and was later placed under "increased scrutiny" by CommutAir twice. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. A United Express Embraer EMB-145XR similar to the one involved in the accident. On the second approach when the FO stated he couldn't see the runway at a hundred feet, she should have called for a go around and did not. It was a woman. Preventing Windshield Arcing, Smoke, and Fire on Bombardier DHC-8 Airplanes . The plane literally is nowhere near the actual runway, he said, adding that snowplows had to remove snow so that emergency responders could get to the plane to help the injured passengers. The first officer was 51 years old and joined CommutAir in May 2018. According to the report, the landing followed the pilot's second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. Published by on June 29, 2022. We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire. The subscription is only 240 including 20% VAT per year, subscribers outside of the European Union save the VAT and pay only 200 . Rick Daigle said the scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seat parts popping off. Vol Atlas Air 3591 Wikipdia Landing under that set of circumstances is a fools errand. She returned in May 2016. A review of NBA playoff history indicated that the only occurrence of an NBA playoff game 6 where Golden State was leading Memphis at halftime 58-49 was on May 15, 2015". Remove the front passenger 's airbag. It is not clear what may have caused this to happen, Smith said. Back on March 4th of that year, A 50 passenger Embraer plane was attempting to land on runway 1 at the Presque Isle International Airport in light and moderate . A pilot and two passengers received minor injuries. I never had an issue, but she could be very abrasive, especially toward FAs. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. Archived post. Nobody gets a pass for sex and skin color. After the go-around, the first officer asked the captain if she saw the runway lights during the approach. Of the 28 passengers and 4 crew members on board, four passengers and the pilot were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, said Kim Smith, Presque Isle public information officer. Just because you are a pilot doesn't mean you are a good pilot and belong in a high performance part 121 aircraft! The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. CommutAir 4933 accident at PQI docket has been released to the public by the NTSB data.ntsb.gov This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast 68 44 44 comments Best EJ1134 7 mo. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Biggest teller? Why has literally no information been put out by the NTSB? After reaching the decision altitude, the captain said she had seen the runway in front of the aircraft. PRIA is worthless when airlines just let it slide with a good Cage Consulting spit shine. CA had a checkered (failure) history. He had been recently suffering from the flu and had lost sleep, and had made only limited and inconsistent use of his prescribed continuous positive airway pressure machine for several days leading to the accident. This isnt just a regional problem. . Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on the flight returning from Columbus, Ohio, where Cassie Daigle was competing in a kettlebell event at the Arnold Sports Expo. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. Track CommutAir (C5) #4933 flight from Houston Bush Int'ctl to Lafayette Rgnl/Paul Fournet Fld. ALPA needs to be stop defending these pilots all the time. The plane left Newark, New Jersey and landed in Presque Isle around 11:30 Monday morning. Can anyone confirm the following?There was no runway involved in the accident Never landed on the runway.Captain had been fired from another airline.Captain was "difficult" (I'm trying to be nice here) to fly with. The preliminary report on the accident of United Flight 4933 says that on March 4th at 11:43 am United Express landed between runway 1 and the taxiway in light to moderate snow at the Northern Maine Regional Airport in Presque Isle. Let us know in the comments below. Senator Collins Issues Statement on NTSB Report on 2019 Presque Isle Preliminary Accident and Incident Notices - Federal Aviation Administration The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. The accident was attributed to confirmation bias which prompted the flight crew to continue descending even though they could not see the runway due to snow; poor decision-making by the captain, fatigue of the first officer, and problems with the airport's instrument landing system were identified as contributing factors. The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. See this is my problem with the industry. The NTSB's conclusion led to other questions namely whether the plane was too old and worn out. Report: United 2019 Embraer 145 Crash Due To Pilot Misidentifying Snow CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. The first officer commenced a second approach and verified that the aircraft was aligned with the ILS localizer. ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. ASN Aircraft accident Embraer EMB-145XR N14171 Presque Isle So the vaunted 121 safety system isn't exactly 100% effective? On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Although she had subsequently received her EMB-145 type rating and been upgraded to captain, the NTSB said that "her repeated training problems indicated an inadequate foundation for being a captain, which CommutAir did not effectively address. It was the copilot's first day on the job. Both pilots had missed entirely the runway, which was covered in about inch of snow, and only about 20% to 25% of it was visible. Publicado hace 1 segundo. 189k members in the flying community. NTSB/AAR-17-02 - Collision with Terrain Promech Air, Inc. de Havilland DHC-3, N270PA; Ketchikan, Alaska; June 25, 2015. The experience had humbled her, but then she upgraded and the drama began again. He had accumulated a total of 4,909 flight hours, 470 on the Embraer EMB-145XR. Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. [7], The NTSB identified the first officer's lack of sleep as a contributing factor. They have no business being in these cockpits. Read recent air safety reports, incidents and news about Commutair. CommutAir Flight 4933 - Per WP: COMMONNAME, crashes of . [2] It came to rest with the left main landing gear assembly sheared off and wedged between the rear fuselage and the left engine. In October 2020, FAA provided additional guidance for airport operators about snow removal around navigational aids. commutair 4933 ntsb report - shinyspace.net For information on a specific accident or incident, direct your inquiries to the National Transportation Safety Board at the following address: 490 L'Enfant Plaza East, SW. Kathryn's Report: Embraer ERJ-145, N14171: Accident occurred March 04 You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. Ive seen interview flights of no more than 20 minutes lead to absolutely invaluable insight. 3:11-cv-05 | Casetext Search + Citator. [1]:710, CommutAir and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) initially reported that the aircraft had touched down on the runway and then slid off, but the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) later clarified that the aircraft had missed the runway entirely. We tell them Our goal here is to overwhelm you to see how you handle it I watched one applicant put us in a 30 degree nose down tuning a radio. The service runs two outbound and inbound flights per day on weekdays and one outbound and one inbound flight per day on weekends.